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Post by molpie on Jan 9, 2013 23:23:57 GMT -5
Wow, Mandy. I don't know which to be overwhelmed by first - how horribly this rabbit was treated, or how much I admire you for even being willing to face the formidable challenge that you (or whoever) may be facing with this one. I don't know what to tell you with this rabbit. I mean, I've dealt with a lot of different critters, and a lot of them had unknown (and dubious) pasts, but none had behavioral issues quite as severe as what you describe with this particular rabbit. It breaks my heart to hear about it and it may be that you're facing an uphill battle with this one. I'm not a rabbit expert (though I know one) and MY first response, if it were me, would be to contact her, to be honest with you. She runs a house rabbit society. If you know someone like that in your area, that would be MY first phonecall. If this rabbit were HERE, this woman would probably come take her out of the shelter environment - for a lot of reasons. Stress would be one, and also because if she's lunging at folks, that is not going to be tolerated for long by most shelter folks who are concerned for public safety and adoptability of shelter animals. She is not adoptable right now. She needs to get out of there. And it won't hurt to get the expertise of someone whose really a rabbit expert (NOT me!). I could tell you stories about OTHER agresssive critters, but not rabbits (thought I COULD tell you about an abused rabbit who, against all odds, was the most loving and WONDERFUL rabbit I've ever known and led me to KNOW the woman at the house rabbit society... but that's another story. ) I'll be interested to see how this one plays out. Keep us posted, Mandy. Mo
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Post by twiggles1 on Jan 10, 2013 6:47:29 GMT -5
Wow, I haven't been on in awhile, so this is weird timing! Anyway, I don't know a lot about rabbits, but I do know a lot about dealing with severely abused animals in general. First thing is to get the bunny OUT of the shelter. Stress is the biggest factor immediately. This rabbit may not be aggressive at all once in a calm environment. Fear is the greatest motivator at the moment. Once the rabbit is somewhere quiet and calm, maybe you better assess the issues. Patience is what's needed first and foremost. I have worked with an abused horse once that I just sat with daily reading a book, sometimes aloud, just to get him to a human voice. He had been born in a pasture and never seen a human until the Humane Society seized him. He was terrified and lunging at people trying to escape. Could be that's what the bunny is doing. Fight or flight. Have you tried contacting any rabbit rescues in the area ? I'd start there. Poor bunny :-(
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Post by twiggles1 on Jan 10, 2013 9:31:42 GMT -5
That's a great idea and if the shelter doesn't call them, maybe you should just give them a call anyway :-) Some rescues regularly check in with shelters and vice versa. It's good to network like that, saves a lot more animals that way!! Thanks for caring enough to do something.
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Post by Jamie on Jan 10, 2013 9:53:19 GMT -5
Mandy and friends I can tell you that Rex lived with the neighbor ..a loving couple He bit them, and the father a strong and burly guy was very sensitive and loved to pick him up The guy had scratches, scabs, bite marks and all was from Rex
You know the video where Rex wants to get the vote ...he tells his story and when I picked him up .. he was in a garage so hot that his mound of poop was melted from the heat
he wasnt abused, .. he just wasnt loved by someone sensitive to HIS needs
Rex I learned did not like to be picked up. He will let me do it but I have to hold him closet to my body, enveloping his whole body so he is like part of me He will not scratch me... but he doesnt like to be held or picked up what rabbit have you seen anywhere who is comfortable 5 feet in the air?
Were you here when my lip was cut in half by Rex? or when my finger was almost in need of stitches from Rex? I posted pics of me covered in blood
was Rex aggressive ....absolutely NO
Rabbits instinct is to lunge at anything that is indeed misunderstood, or moving toward them therefore 1. DO NOT give your hand as an introduction ( like with a dog) your hand to a rabbit is an aggressive move (* even slowly) 2. Pet between the ears ..not the ears themselves ( till they really know you) this part of a rabbit that is so cute and beautiful is also their pride and joy 3. Rabbits show deep emotion and they will show you what they want if they are left in hutches, or not talked to ,,played with, they will DO ANYTHING to get your attention You must be mindful of this but MORE SO ...you MUST do what they ask or they can get pissed off 4. Only pet their back end when they know you and their licking motion of carpet or your body is an automatic response to that part of the body being rubbed...its not a motion of acceptance or gratitude so dont put your hand in front 5. Pet between the ears ...approach slowly. The mother rabbit grooms their young between the ears down to the nose area,. Move slowly 6. Never try to KISS a rabbit from the front .. your head moving towards it is AGGRESSION. Ifyou must kiss.. then hold your head steady and let the rabbit come to you.. then move your lips slowly ...LOL Rabbits teach us to be more subtle, more romantic... no lunging man kisses for a rabbit 7. Rabbits do NOT like loud noises or again quick motions if there are like here... birds, gerbils on wheels, dogs barking realize a Rabbit is also a prey animal and this will put them on alert 8. Abused Rabbits will slam their legs down when you approach DO NOT approach ever if they kick or slam...talk to them 9. The technique of putting them on their back to "paralyze" them is convenient but is actually not as relaxing as it looks and when they come out of it ...they could easily show you their distaste for that I dont do it at all here...it was cute the first time. No more for him
Mandy and friends.. although we all do our best some of us feel a large cage or a hutch of size is just fine and is a substitute for real out times , real social interaction
It is NOT That rabbit you write about unless its been slapped around is gonna be an amazing pet for someone who shows love and appreciation for it.
Jamie
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Post by Jodi on Jan 11, 2013 10:29:13 GMT -5
This is the cutest bun I think I've ever seen!!! WOWOW!! Here's a picture of The Magster..thought I'd show the little face of the one I was talking about. lol
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Post by Jamie on Jan 11, 2013 11:15:54 GMT -5
Here's a picture of The Magster..thought I'd show the little face of the one I was talking about. lol I would make him king! This is a rabbit who is clearly not only handsome but smart, cunning, special ... I can see it.... just look at him!! Mandy its a darn good thing I dont live near you and your mother cause you have a knack for amazing animal coming into your life and I would be adopting any and ll amazing ... life is amazing...animals know where to go to find kindness , good will and understanding says alot about the greatness of you and your mother truly does Jamie
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Post by tish1207 on Jan 12, 2013 18:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by Jodi on Jan 12, 2013 20:24:10 GMT -5
Mandy This is great! Good for you for helping out the shelter
Hugs Jodi
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Post by molpie on Jan 12, 2013 21:34:32 GMT -5
Wow Mandy! How AWESOME! I have some various resources that I've made over the years for various organizations and purposes - I'd be happy to share some of it with you if you'd like. Perhaps this ought to be its own thread though? It doesn't seem like it belongs under "animals with aggression" anymore does it? LOL. Not sure how best to share files and info like this. Suggestions anyone? Lucky's place shared docs bank? No idea. While we're pondering that, I'll search and see what I can find in the recesses of my computer. Stay tuned, Mandy. Mo
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Post by tish1207 on Jan 12, 2013 22:52:14 GMT -5
I would definitely put a link to this forum on them, as long as its ok with jamie.... (for all species)
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Post by Jamie on Jan 13, 2013 2:02:06 GMT -5
because of copyright issues posting links to people's websites is an iffy thing if you are willing to get written position from webmasters and web owners than there would be no problem
as it says in the TOS ..copying and pasting from other forums ( and sites) is not allowed.
In terms of care sheets for all our wonderful pets Its an important thing and was always useful on other forums Ive been involved with. I know our care sheet for chinchillas is a good start and if I haven't already done it my 5 part series "taking good care of your chinchilla" which now has views near a million cumulatively will be in place of more written pages.
There is a sub board under "pets other than chinchillas" and care sheets and threads could be posted there with great advice and care sheet things
I would also be willing to add a sub board to the "other pet" section that would be simply CARE SHEETS ... or CARE SHEETS FOR OUR PET FRINEDS or something like that
sub listing all of that on the home page would make the page a mile long
so its my opinion that ,,,the sub board thing would be the best route
I think its wonderful whats happening there Mandy,,,so proud of you
Jamie
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Post by molpie on Jan 13, 2013 3:15:07 GMT -5
OK. Allow me to be clear to make this easier, Jamie. What I'm talking about is stuff I, myself, have written. I may have had input from others (and have credited those others), but these are things I have created myself and am willing to share for the good of the group (as it were). So there aren't really any copyright issues, linking issues to other sites, ripping stuff off from other forums or whatnot. Yes, I may have shared this info with other organizations (read shelters, mostly) before, but again, it's info I've written - MY info. And mostly, to my knowledge, these other organizations have not used this information as is, anyway. They've either taken it and incorporated it into their own formatted docs, or otherwise changed it to suit them (or not used it at all in some cases). No copyright issues there. So no worries I think. Just lil' ol' me and my own documents that people can take or leave (mostly that Mandy can take or leave). They were mostly designed for exactly what she's doing with them, and I hope they help her (and whomever else wants to use them for informational purposes). That help?
Actually, after all that, I'm finding it difficult to find some of the documents that I KNOW I created on my computer. Mostly what I'm finding is stuff on gerbils - gerbil health, gerbil care, gerbil behavior. I know I had others, too... a side by side comparison of common rodent pets was one that some thought was especially helpful. I'm still looking. But how to post them as documents?
As attachments in sub forums like you suggested? Or should I coordinate directly with Mandy? What works best?
Mo
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Post by Jamie on Jan 13, 2013 3:48:27 GMT -5
Mo...Ill be honest when I come here I skim all the posts that I can ,,,,sometimes 20 or more of course our last 100 helps greatly I had 21 personal messages from today there are actually ALOT of our members who prefer not to post and they write me the questions instead I sure try to keep up ....but at some point I won't be able to run a private message answer board anymore...
I didnt really know what you all were writing about in detail I saw care sheets and links... and then Tish saying if Jamie thinks its ok
so I went to my TOS and proboards TOS and kinda gave you an answer
the issue with all forums .,.especially for newbies is finding what they are looking for therefore ,,,if you are going to be giving us care and tips about our pets they should go in a sub board like we have our chinchilla care sheet
then if someone asks we can direct them to the info
if you remember Marne was posting great information about nutrition and malo its STILL one of our most popular threads ...and its quite easy to find
no matter how easy is to find for some of us ..there will still be our friends here that cant find the "how to post pictures" and all that
you would be surprised how many of our members actually write me on youtube with THOSE forum questions
this isnt an easy gig handling a forum ..
yes I think a sub board is in order
let me know when you find these things and Ill get that together for you and for the good of the people and this forum Jamie
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Post by Jodi on Jan 13, 2013 14:28:57 GMT -5
21 PM's? That is a LOT! I think we should encourage members to post ON the board, it is better for everybody. Jamie you are so busy that adding this to your plate I don't think is fair. Unless it is a personal issue I believe everyone should at least try to get their questions out to as many members as possible. A forum is all about posting on the board, being involved and present. My thoughts Jodi Mo...Ill be honest when I come here I skim all the posts that I can ,,,,sometimes 20 or more of course our last 100 helps greatly I had 21 personal messages from today there are actually ALOT of our members who prefer not to post and they write me the questions instead I sure try to keep up ....but at some point I won't be able to run a private message answer board anymore... Jamie
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Post by Jamie on Jan 13, 2013 14:52:23 GMT -5
21 PM's? That is a LOT! I think we should encourage members to post ON the board, it is better for everybody. Jamie you are so busy that adding this to your plate I don't think is fair. Unless it is a personal issue I believe everyone should at least try to get their questions out to as many members as possible. A forum is all about posting on the board, being involved and present. My thoughts Jodi Mo...Ill be honest when I come here I skim all the posts that I can ,,,,sometimes 20 or more of course our last 100 helps greatly I had 21 personal messages from today there are actually ALOT of our members who prefer not to post and they write me the questions instead I sure try to keep up ....but at some point I won't be able to run a private message answer board anymore... Jamie Jodi... I really appreciate THAt I have a hard time saying NO I have told some of the PM'ers that I am in the studio and will be working for 16 hours and they write back........ oh how cool...so I have just one more question.... I mean this is how its been since the start of this board I love our members but I think the least amount of PM's I have ever had was like 10 Its tough ...yes.. but I cant force anyone to post If all the people PM'ing me would post we'd have like 40 -50 people on in 24 hours that would look cool I am a woooos .,.. I can't say no to people who love and care about their animals Thank you again for your concern hugs Jamie
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Post by twiggles1 on Jan 13, 2013 14:55:28 GMT -5
21 PM's? That is a LOT! I think we should encourage members to post ON the board, it is better for everybody. Jamie you are so busy that adding this to your plate I don't think is fair. Unless it is a personal issue I believe everyone should at least try to get their questions out to as many members as possible. A forum is all about posting on the board, being involved and present. My thoughts Jodi Mo...Ill be honest when I come here I skim all the posts that I can ,,,,sometimes 20 or more of course our last 100 helps greatly I had 21 personal messages from today there are actually ALOT of our members who prefer not to post and they write me the questions instead I sure try to keep up ....but at some point I won't be able to run a private message answer board anymore... Jamie I have to agree with Jodi here. The whole point is to LEARN !! How will anyone else learn anything if its not posted. I'm not talking about personal pm's, private things SHOULD be private, but general questions should be posted. Jamie is a very busy guy ! Hugs, Laurie and the South Carolina girls
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Post by tish1207 on Jan 13, 2013 18:30:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jodi on Jan 15, 2013 9:51:15 GMT -5
Oh my gosh Mandy! What a day First off, are you both ok after the car accident??? Sorry about the Hamster at the shelter and the cat... so sad How is the new one doing? Mom is ok after her out of cage runabout? Jodi
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Post by Jamie on Jan 15, 2013 10:33:05 GMT -5
Mandy... Im so glad you are ok!
Please dont feel bad for the person arrested my friend lost both his children to a drunk driver The car isnt a place to party in... drinking and using while doing anything but being home is just plain idiotic.
I am a supporter of MADD ( mothers against drunk driving) ...a big supporter and nothing surprises me after working with them for so long especially the pain and suffering that selfish people create when they get in a car under the influence.
Jamie
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Post by Jamie on Jan 15, 2013 11:48:44 GMT -5
I just watched the gerbil and noticed he can't chew. He's skinny, and has droopy eyes. I checked his teeth and right now I feel awful. His top teeth are overgrown and sideways. They are so long they reach his bottom jaw. I'm going to see if I can get some critical care syringed to him? I'm heartbroken. We're going to the shelter to see if the techs can look and maybe file/clip his teeth. If not, I'm so afraid about having to put him to sleep. I don't know if I should call my vet and see about this as I can now tell he's so very weak and I don't think the vet would recommend putting him under. DARNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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